Saturday, December 26, 2009

A Few Things


Here are just a few things to add to the discussion. As somebody who has worked in different Emergency Departments for several years, I have a few responses to your thoughts. These are issues that repeatedly come up, and often I think patients are just simply unaware of how hospitals actually work.
You asked: Likewise, laser eye surgery started prohibitively expensive and now anyone who can save up $1,000 or so can get it. Why have heart operations not followed the same trajectory?
--There are several reasons that come to mind immediately as to why laser eye surgery remains much cheaper now than cardiac surgery. First off, the skill necessary to perform laser eye surgery is nowhere near the skill necessary for heart surgery. A cardiac surgeon goes through years and years of schooling and training, followed by a lengthy residency program, often several residencies. No cardiac surgery is truly ever truly "routine". You never just need a single cardiac surgeon in the room; you are paying for not just the skills of the cardiac surgeon, but also the registered nurses, scrub technicians, and anesthesiologists required to appropriately treat you during the procedure and post-procedure critical care. The drugs and IV fluids given during cardiac surgery are exponentially more risky to administer, and treating the complications is far more intricate and involved. Additionally, the equipment needed for heart surgery is much more complex and expensive than that for laser eye surgery. For both surgeries, this equipment needs to function perfectly every time around, and the vast majority is single-use only, for obvious reasons. In summary, in the ideal world, you are getting what you pay for: highly specialized critical care, expensive monitoring equipment, and the appropriate medications. Now, I agree, it would make the most sense to figure out a way to reduce costs, but the answer doesn't lie with the hospitals charging less for the same procedures. We need technical innovation in the medical field so that we can make major surgeries, like cardiac surgery, as minimally invasive and low-risk as possible. And while we are make progress, we are nowhere even remotely near the risk level of laser eye surgery. I believe the answer to this problem is going to come from better preventative care, which means that more individuals need to have access to a good primary care physician. The uninsured, and many with basic medical plans, cannot afford this. Of course there will always be those unfortunate individuals who even an amazing primary care provider cannot prevent the need for surgery, but disease prevention is the way to go here for the vast majority. And in order to do that, we need to focus on public health efforts.
You asked: Why does an uncomfortable hospital room that's not even private cost $680 a night base rate? I still want to understand why hospitals are, at base, bad hotels, and yet they charge about 10x more than bad hotels in the same general area.)
--The answer to this is simple: It's because hospital are not hotels. They are not even bad hotels. In this country, we take for granted that when we enter the hospital, our medical concerns will be well addressed; that we will receive a correct diagnosis and be treated appropriately. A perfectly fair assumption, but what you have to remember is this: you are not paying for someone to fluff your pillow, leave you a mint with turndown service, etc. You are paying for the skill of your nurses to appropriately assess you, to be able to recognize even the slightest changes in your condition that might indicate you are getting worse (or better), or to know how to safely administer the drugs you need, for the skill of your floor technicians to know how to safely get out out of bed and to the bathroom, or how to cleanly insert your IV catheter, or turn and place you in bed without further injuring you, for the skill of your doctor to read your xrays, CT scans, bloodwork, etc, to make an appropriate diagnosis and plan of care based off said diagnosis. Hospitals cost so much not because of the customer service they offer, but because of the level of care they provide and the skill necessary to provide that care. Of course, there is something to be said about good customer service and hospitals treating their patients well. Hospitals should be invested in improving patient relations and satisfaction, because these patients will not only return to the hospital for the rest of their care, but they will also recommend it to their friends and loved ones. This is how the hospital can be assured to bring in more money, but it is not what your money is being spent on. Of course, as a patient, you should be treated with respect and dignity, but that is very different from expecting hotel-type service. And at the end of the day, the overworked techs, nurses, and doctors know that the most important thing is keeping their patients living and breathing. Most of the care and skill that is needed to keep patients goes completely unbeknownst to the actual patient. When your nurse walks into your room and talks to you, adjusts the IV fluids, adjusts your oxygen level, and repositions you in bed, she's doing more than just being nice. She's assessing you and noticing even slight changes in your level of consciousness, your cardiac perfusion, your heart rate changes on the monitor, making sure you don't get skin breakdown from laying in one position too long, etc. RNs, Techs, and Doctors are trained to do it effortlessly, and it often goes over the patients' heads. It may not sound like a lot, but if you've ever been a patient with a nurse/doc who misses the subtle cues of deterioration, you know how painful the results can be. You are in the hospital because you are not stable enough to be at home on your own, and at the end of the day, if you are getting better, the hospital is functioning correctly and as it should.
All that being said, healthcare is prohibitively expensive. This is especially true for those with no health insurance, but the bills can quickly add up even for those with a fairly high-end insurance plan. While I am certain there is much hospitals could do to cut costs, the answer doesn't lie entirely with the hospitals. Insurance companies operate at outrageous profit margins while denying coverage of even some of the most basic and necessary care. I see it every day at work. Private insurers have unchecked in our system for way too long. They are the only option, and they are robbing people of not just their money, but also their health and in many cases, their lives.

Health Care

Unfortunately, someone has to pay the fees hospitals charge, or hospitals go bust. If the average person needs at least one $100,000 operation by the end of her or his life, this means that the government has to extract at least $100,000 per citizen somehow. That's a lot, even spread over a lifetime.

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It's fine to disagree with me - I welcome intelligent disagreement - but I would like to know if you have any knowledge of why hospitals are so expensive. From a broad brush perspective, it seems like they give exceptionally poor value for money. Just saying you disagree with me doesn't make it so or tell me why so I can hone my thinking.

I think it's a good idea to figure out why hospitals are so expensive - then perhaps we can design better, more cost-effective care. Is this something you would disagree with? It's surely better than President Obama's idea of restricting care close to the end of life. I would rather see care get cheaper than not allow people who need it most to receive it.

What do you think of the Minute Clinics? Have you ever tried them?

Why is Health Care so expensive?

President Obama tells us health care is too expensive, and puts cutting costs at the top of the agenda. It's interesting that in principle he believes in universal coverage, and yet he's not pitching things in those terms, he is saying national healthcare will save us money.

Conservative analysts say that his form of cost cutting is likely to make our health care worse, limiting options and eliminating more expensive forms of treatment. Here's a good article on that topic:

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It may seem sensible to eliminate expensive treatments, but remember how technology normally works: Initial stabs at it are very expensive, and then costs go down to the extent that mere mortals can afford them. For example, cellphones were $1,500 bricks when they first came on, and we now have the iPhone that fits in our palms and does just about anything one could want from a gadget.

Likewise, laser eye surgery started prohibitively expensive and now anyone who can save up $1,000 or so can get it.

Why have heart operations not followed the same trajectory?

Why does an uncomfortable hospital room that's not even private cost $680 a night base rate?

I still want to understand why hospitals are, at base, bad hotels, and yet they charge about 10x more than bad hotels in the same general area.

When government takes something over, from education to public transportation, it tends to fix present institutions in place, eliminate innovation, and consider change more in terms of advances for employees ("Jobs for the Boys") than improvement in quality or cost.

National healthcare will institutionalize bad hotels and prevent any kind of innovation that gives us better care. Certainly time and time again, government has shown that it's great at creating really expensive institutions, like public schools, and horrible at making them work, like public schools.

Hospital employees are clearly hard-working and dedicated, but patients get only a tiny sliver of their attention. I would think I could install a hospital bed in my house and hire dedicated, round the clock nursing, for less than what a hospital charges.

Much of the problem would seem to be that we are not advised on cost of hospital services while we are getting them. We are not asked to pick and choose on an informed basis. We're in there and in their power and as a result massive bills can be run up in the blink of an eye.

It seems like because third parties are generally paying, nobody cares how expensive things are.

I think it would be far better if we did know, and if we had to pay for our health care. If we did, we could make our own choices instead of letting insurance companies or the government control our lives. This is the approach used by medical savings accounts, and it seems far wiser than what most of us are doing.

One example of what might happen when patients are in control is the "Minute Clinics" in some drug stores that charge $59 for you to see a doctor. They are cost-effective but provide better service than hospitals. I think we need a lot more like this. A Wal*Mart Hospital might not seem ideal but I wonder if it wouldn't be a lot better than what we have now.

One thing for sure: ObamaCare is going to take us away from even the vague possibility of that kind of reform, and for that reason it must be opposed by anyone who cares about the future of health.